in new york city or chicago because that's what it takes, the man was absolutely, you know, committed to his bid for the presidency and this is what it takes, especially if you don't have, you know, large coffers with campaign contributions. >> the book we're talking about is in the book stores, it's called "choose me, portraits of a presidential race," arthur grace is our guest, he's the photographer that put this book together, with the jee help of m wooten and jane livingston. who is that? >> she is the associate director of a gallery here in washington. >> what role did she play? why did you choose her? >> she is a woman who has great knowledge of photography, internationally and in this country. contemporary photography as well as late 19th century and 20t 20th century, but she is one person who has made an effort to follow con tremry photo -- contemporary photo journalism. very knowledgeable on the subject. >> did you have personal favorite of the 15 candidates that you photographed that you liked politically? >> politically? i never talk about that. politically -- >> in your mi